EchoLingo第 133 期
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On red, there was a song that I wrote
在《红》这张专辑里,有一首我写的歌
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alone in a hotel room when I was 22 years old called Nothing New. Where I'm...
独自在酒店房间里,在我22岁时写的,叫《Nothing New》。我正...
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It sounds ridiculous, but at 22 years old, I felt completely washed up.
这听起来很荒谬,但22岁时,我感觉自己完全过气了。
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I felt like maybe the only thing that made me special was that I was this like
我觉得也许唯一让我特别的地方就是我像这样
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teen, phenom, whatever I was. Looked at us.
青少年、神童,不管我当时是什么。看着我们。
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So I wrote this song and it includes lines like, you know,
所以我写了这首歌,里面包含像这样的歌词,你知道的。
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how can a person know everything at 18 and
一个人怎么可能在18岁时知道一切,而
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nothing at 22?
22岁时却一无所知?
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Because when I was 18, I had the fearless album come out and I had my first international number ones.
因为当我18岁时,我的《无畏》专辑发行了,我有了我的第一个国际冠军单曲。
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And everybody was like, oh, this writing, it's so true. It's so honest.
然后每个人都像这样,哦,这歌词,太真实了。太真诚了。
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She feels like she deserves to be here.
她觉得自己配得上在这里。
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And then there was this big upheaval of, no, she doesn't. No, she doesn't.
然后出现了一场大动荡:不,她不配。不,她不配。
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She sucks, actually.
实际上,她很糟糕。
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And it really turned the tables on my perception
这真的颠覆了我的看法。
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of love can be so quickly handed to you and then taken away.
爱可以如此迅速地给予你,然后又夺走。
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And it's this kind of strange thing with fame.
这就是那种与名声有关的奇怪事情。
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And that was the first time I ever grappled with that.
那是我第一次与那件事作斗争。
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Somebody was like, oh, you're 22 years old and you're saying, are you tired of me?
有人说,哦,你才22岁,你却在说,你厌倦我了吗?
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If you're not yet, are you going to get tired of me?
如果你还没有,你会厌倦我吗?
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Because it's usually something that you would sing about later in life.
因为这通常是你在以后的生活中才会歌唱的事情。
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But the entertainment industry, I'll tell you, there's 10 years for every year you're in it.
但娱乐行业,我跟你说,你在里面待一年相当于外面十年。
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But it's fun.
但很有趣。
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Songwriting is something that it's a very
写歌是一件非常
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intimate, tiny little thing for me.
对我来说是一件私密而微小的事情。
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I have a lot of things I like to do.
我有很多喜欢做的事情。
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I like to bake.
我喜欢烘焙。
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I like to make art.
我喜欢创作艺术。
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I like to paint.
我喜欢画画。
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I like to sew.
我喜欢缝纫。
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I like to write songs.
我喜欢写歌。
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And I try to keep it as like dear to me as those other things I just named.
我试着让它像刚才提到的那些东西一样对我珍贵。
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I have to know that like there's certain things that we have as a tradition between me and my fans.
我必须知道,我和粉丝之间有一些事情是作为传统存在的。
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They love for an emotional song to be track five.
他们喜欢把一首情感丰富的歌放在第五首。
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There's like special things like that, but at the same time, there's
有像那样特别的事情,但同时,还有
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sort of so many of them now, which is great.
现在有这么多,这很棒。
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But there's corners of my fan base who are gonna take things to a really extreme place.
但我的粉丝群体中有一些人会把事情推向非常极端的地步。
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There's nothing I can do about that.
对此我无能为力。
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There's people who are going to try to do detective work figure out the details.
有些人会试图像侦探一样去查明细节。
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Who is that about what is this?
那是关于谁?这是什么?
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When it gets a little bit weird for me is when people act like it's a paternity test.
对我来说有点奇怪的是,当人们表现得好像这是一场亲子鉴定时。
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This song's about that person, because I'm like, that dude didn't
这首歌是关于那个人的,因为我就想,那家伙没有
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write the song I did.
写出我写的那首歌。
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But that's part of it.
但那是其中的一部分。
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You have to hold tight to your perception of your
你必须紧紧抓住你对你的认知
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art and your relationship with it.
艺术以及你与它的关系。
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And then you just kind of have to like, there it goes.
然后你就只能这样,随它去吧。
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Hope you like it.
希望你喜欢它。
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If you don't now, hope you do on five years.
如果你现在不喜欢,希望五年后你会喜欢。
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And if you never do, then I was doing it for me anyway.
如果你永远都不喜欢,那我做这件事本来就是为了我自己。
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Yeah, criticism has been a huge fuel for me.
是的,批评对我来说一直是一大动力。
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It's been a huge jumping off point, like a creative writing prompt or something.
这是一个巨大的起点,就像一个创意写作提示之类的东西。
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There are so many songs in my career that would not exist, like blank space,
在我的职业生涯中,有很多歌曲根本不会存在,比如《Blank Space》。
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would not exist if I hadn't
如果我没有……就不会存在。
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had people being like, here's a slideshow of all her boyfriend's.
有人像这样对我说:‘这是她所有男友的幻灯片。’
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And then anti-hero is a song that I'm so proud of still.
然后《Anti-Hero》是一首我至今仍然非常自豪的歌。
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That song doesn't exist if I don't get criticized for
如果我不因……而受到批评,那首歌就不存在。
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every aspect of my personality that people have a problem with
人们对我个性有意见的每一个方面
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or whatever.
或者其他什么的。
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My favorite thing when I sit down with new artists or songwriters and I'm like, Why
我最喜欢的事情是,当我和新艺术家或词曲作者坐下来时,我会说,为什么
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are you reading your comments?
你在看你的评论吗?
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That's too much of it.
那太多了。
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You're inundating yourself with too much criticism that doesn't really have a focus.
你让自己淹没在太多没有重点的批评中。
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But I think a little bit of it, you gotta just be like, this is part of it.
但我认为一点点的话,你得这样想,这是其中的一部分。
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Don't make this, make you stop
不要让这个让你停下。
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writing or make you edit yourself or whatever.
写作,或者让你编辑自己,或者诸如此类。
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If it's an interesting point to you to respond to,
如果这是一个你觉得值得回应的有趣观点。
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then that's a gift for you to be able to write
那么这对你来说就是一份能够写作的礼物
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something, maybe you wouldn't have written something that day.
一些东西,也许那天你本来不会写出任何东西。
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God, don't go to the notes app and post it, write about it.
天哪,别去备忘录应用里发出来,去写关于它。
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Make art about this.
以此创作艺术。
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Don't respond to trolls in your comments.
不要回复你评论中的网络喷子。
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